http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/AtomMeeting (sorry about the log format -- I don't have much control over it) (EST/EDT time) This is the "pre-lunch" log, brought to you by the wonders of copy-paste. The post-lunch stuff, which is _very_ pretty, can be found at: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/atom/2004-06-02.html ---- bitsko 12:01:23 PM hey ​ dwalker_ffg 12:06:51 PM Howdy. 12:07:29 PM I was hoping there would be some IRC action re: the Atom FTF at Sun today. ​ bitsko 12:07:44 PM are you here for AtomMeeting specifically, or did you see my note on PaceNonEntryResources? 12:08:02 PM it doesn't start for another hour, and no one's confirmed a chat ​ dwalker_ffg 12:08:19 PM Nope... i haven't even glanced at atom-syntax today. ​ bitsko 12:09:04 PM I'm expanding on PaceNonEntryResources in a more example-like way at http:/​​/​​bitsko.slc.ut.us/​​blog/​​atom-non-entry-resources.html ​ dwalker_ffg 12:10:05 PM Cool -- I'll take a look ​ bitsko 12:56:56 PM hmm, unless they're all still at the coffee and donuts phase, I'm beginning to suspect we might not see anyone :( ​ markp joined the chat room. (12:57:14 PM ) markp left the chat room. (12:57:18 PM ) dwalker_ffg 12:57:38 PM Bummer. :( ​ jcgregorio joined the chat room. (1:02:32 PM ) rubys joined the chat room. (1:14:28 PM ) mcmay_SJC joined the chat room. (1:14:43 PM ) bitsko 1:15:04 PM woot! ​ em joined the chat room. (1:16:37 PM ) znarf joined the chat room. (1:17:23 PM ) danbri joined the chat room. (1:18:58 PM ) danbri 1:19:09 PM • danbri waves from bristol ​ maxf joined the chat room. (1:19:45 PM ) bitsko 1:20:13 PM additional info on PaceNonEntryResources: http:/​​/​​bitsko.slc.ut.us/​​blog/​​atom-non-entry-resources.html ​ jasonshellen joined the chat room. (1:20:55 PM ) bitsko 1:21:13 PM sorry for the late entry, but that provides some more detail on the PaceNonEntryResources approach for managing content related to entries, aka cleaning-up the element ​ rubys 1:22:03 PM late? This meeting is NOT a decision making meeting. Morning (PDT) is dedicated to process and charters. 1:22:35 PM • rubys waves back at danbri ​ libby joined the chat room. (1:22:45 PM ) danbri 1:22:53 PM (sorry I can't be there...) ​ bitsko 1:23:04 PM rubys: I understand, it was discussion fodder is all ​ jasonshellen 1:24:06 PM Paul is discussing the IETF process right now. ​ bitsko 1:24:16 PM having a face-to-face on the element is on the agenda for later and I just wanted to make sure some more background was available 1:25:03 PM anyone on-site who wants to just jot notes can feel free.... ​ rubys 1:25:04 PM we expect to start on the content discussion at 1:30 PM PDT ​ markp joined the chat room. (1:26:11 PM ) bitsko 1:26:22 PM more clearly, anyone on-site who wants to give a running transcript can feel free.... ;) ​ markp 1:26:47 PM is this channel logged, and if not, can it be logged? ​ rubys 1:27:14 PM I have no objections to it being logged ​ bitsko 1:28:17 PM no one's mentioned that it's being logged in real-time ​ rubys was promoted to operator by ChanServ. (1:28:23 PM ) markp 1:28:49 PM they make bots for that sort of thing now 1:28:53 PM computers are good at that ​ znarf left the chat room. (1:40:10 PM ) KevinMarks joined the chat room. (1:43:00 PM ) KevinMarks 1:43:39 PM morning -sorry I was late - that'll teach me to trust public transport timetables in SJ ​ jasonshellen 1:43:50 PM np ​ rubys 1:45:03 PM approx $500 fee to attend IETF WG meeting ​ imajes joined the chat room. (1:45:44 PM ) dehora joined the chat room. (1:47:22 PM ) dwalker_ffg 1:47:52 PM that rules out the "downsized engineers with lots of time on their hands" ​ rubys 1:48:35 PM no decisions are made at IETF WG meetings ​ KevinMarks 1:48:38 PM learn to hum loudly ​ bitsko 1:48:42 PM iirc, meeting attendance is not requirement in IETF ​ stevej joined the chat room. (1:48:45 PM ) yonderboy joined the chat room. (1:49:08 PM ) rubys 1:49:28 PM • rubys adds learning ventriloquism to his todo list ​ bjoern_ joined the chat room. (1:50:19 PM ) markp 1:50:20 PM • markp reiterates his request for a logging bot ​ jasonshellen 1:50:23 PM just shared a SubEthaEdit doc for those folks in the room ​ danbri 1:50:44 PM • danbri was about to ask dajobe for a logger but he seems to be offline ​ autrijus joined the chat room. (1:51:50 PM ) autrijus 1:52:03 PM greetings. ​ imajes 1:52:32 PM hello all! 1:52:44 PM hey sam - haven't seen you in a while ​ markp 1:52:46 PM kevinmarks: how's that live video feed coming? ​ stevej left the chat room. (1:53:02 PM ) KevinMarks 1:53:12 PM the QTSS sevrer isn't accepting incoming streams 1:53:26 PM I could do an iChat/AIM one to one ​ stevej joined the chat room. (1:53:27 PM ) TBray joined the chat room. (1:55:30 PM ) bitsko 1:56:16 PM jasonshellen: does SubEthaEdit have a publishing option? or maybe that can be uploaded occasionally ​ jasonshellen 1:56:36 PM yes, I can blog it or upload it shortly. 1:56:55 PM would be great to have more SubEtha editors 1:57:04 PM it's shared via rendezous right now ​ mcmay_SJC 1:57:05 PM • mcmay_SJC can't see it on Rendezvous ​ jasonshellen 1:57:14 PM hmm.. ​ stevej 1:57:17 PM which version of SubEthaEdit are you using, Shellen? ​ KevinMarks 1:57:21 PM can't see ti jason ​ stevej 1:57:46 PM he's using 1.1.5 ​ KevinMarks 1:58:02 PM ah ​ mcmay_SJC 1:58:04 PM aha ​ KevinMarks 1:58:09 PM hang on then, I'm on 2.0 ​ stevej 1:58:17 PM maybe we can convince shellen to upgrade. ​ jasonshellen 1:58:20 PM let me upgrade ​ stevej 1:58:25 PM heh heh ​ markp 1:58:45 PM • markp never thought he'd live to see the day when tbray was on freenode ​ jcgregorio 1:59:20 PM it's all down hill from here ​ markp 1:59:21 PM jason, would this be a bad time to talk about the atom versioning issue? ;) ​ TBray 1:59:22 PM • TBray is a stranger in IRCland ​ KevinMarks 2:00:43 PM do you have iChat or AIM 5.5 Win markp? ​ markp 2:01:11 PM i'm on windows, i could download anything, but i'm behind the most heinous firewall ever ​ jcgregorio 2:01:14 PM ooh, I do ​ KevinMarks 2:01:22 PM ah ​ markp 2:01:23 PM well maybe not, since i can log onto freenode, but still ​ libby left the chat room. (2:01:47 PM ) jcgregorio 2:01:55 PM AIM does streaming? ​ KevinMarks 2:02:23 PM yes - 5.5 added support for the iChat AV protocols ​ jasonshellen 2:02:43 PM SubEthaEdit 2.0 is up 2:02:48 PM and shared ​ mcmay_SJC 2:03:29 PM hmm ​ imajes 2:04:48 PM hey tim ​ Aquarion joined the chat room. (2:05:06 PM ) mcmay_SJC 2:05:17 PM anybody getting into jason's subethaedit now? ​ jasonshellen 2:05:32 PM steve and kevin are on ​ dwalker_ffg 2:05:46 PM Is there a URL for that SEE doc that works outside the firewall? ​ mcmay_SJC 2:05:52 PM doh. stupid internet. ​ KevinMarks 2:06:50 PM Accsessibility important to W3C ​ RussB joined the chat room. (2:12:54 PM ) djjd_lurking joined the chat room. (2:13:40 PM ) emanu joined the chat room. (2:18:20 PM ) jasonshellen 2:18:31 PM i doubt this will work 2:18:44 PM see:/​​/​​Jason-Shellens-Computer.local:6942/​​atom_meeting_notes?documentID=C436ECD6-B4BE-11D8-A5C4-000A95E55A54 2:18:44 PM see:/​​/​​Jason-Shellens-Computer.local:6942/​​atom_meeting_notes?documentID=C436ECD6-B4BE-11D8-A5C4-000A95E55A54 2:18:52 PM ah twice as nice ​ imajes 2:18:55 PM ;) ​ KevinMarks 2:18:58 PM .local 2:18:59 PM hah ​ imajes 2:19:35 PM i don't know how to get over that with mine either ​ dwalker_ffg 2:21:04 PM If someone could forward your port 6942 to the outside world, it would actually work. (Some friends and I played around with this when SEE 2.0 was released) ​ yonderboy left the chat room. (2:23:04 PM ) yonderboy joined the chat room. (2:23:24 PM ) jasonshellen 2:24:18 PM i don't think it's going to happen 2:24:30 PM see this would be a perfect use of the Atom API ​ jcgregorio 2:24:48 PM heh ​ dwalker_ffg 2:25:12 PM fwiw, SEE's protocol is based on BEEP. ​ emanu left the chat room. (2:25:34 PM ) jcgregorio 2:25:55 PM ahh, let's define an Atom API mapping to BEEP :) ​ jasonshellen 2:26:10 PM yes ​ markp 2:26:15 PM smart people have thought about that ​ KevinMarks 2:26:18 PM time to argue over W3C vs IETF ​ jasonshellen 2:26:23 PM yes... ​ jcgregorio 2:26:25 PM ouch ​ markp 2:27:00 PM • markp is not in a terribly productive mood today and will try to stay relatively quiet ​ jasonshellen 2:27:24 PM Mark, are you swinging by later? ​ KevinMarks 2:27:53 PM mark is thousands of miles away ​ jasonshellen 2:28:49 PM ah 2:29:17 PM Bob Wyman proposes working with both the W3c and IETF ​ mJh513h joined the chat room. (2:30:01 PM ) jasonshellen 2:30:41 PM starting the docs in IETF and finishing in W3c 2:30:55 PM both Eric from W3C and I just opposed. ​ TBray 2:31:58 PM non-W3C-member people outnumber member people at least 2-1 ​ chris__ joined the chat room. (2:32:50 PM ) mJh513h left the chat room. (2:33:33 PM ) chris__ left the chat room. (2:34:17 PM ) bitsko 2:36:13 PM for later, that background link on PaceNonEntryResources is at: http:/​​/​​bitsko.slc.ut.us/​​blog/​​atom-non-entry-resources.html 2:36:26 PM hopefully I'll be back for that discussion... :/ ​ bitsko is now known as bitsko|errand. (2:36:32 PM ) GaryF joined the chat room. (2:40:04 PM ) GaryF left the chat room. (2:40:39 PM ) GaryF joined the chat room. (2:41:48 PM ) jasonshellen 2:42:21 PM current notes here... not great but something 2:42:22 PM http:/​​/​​www.shellen.com/​​sandbox/​​atom_june2meeting_notes.txt 2:42:30 PM ongoing... ​ ndw joined the chat room. (2:43:58 PM ) ndw 2:44:52 PM • ndw points to his nametag; "Norman Walsh" it reads for them that doesn't recognized 'ndw' :-) ​ imajes left the chat room. (2:45:09 PM ) mgifford joined the chat room. (2:45:10 PM ) mgifford is now known as matt_gifford. (2:45:29 PM ) markp 2:45:46 PM • markp notes that if atom goes w3c, i won't get a vote because votes are per-company, both sam and i work for ibm, and i would defer to sam's vote 2:46:07 PM • markp wonders how many people would consider that a good thing ​ TBray 2:46:07 PM you won't get a vote in IETF either because they don't do voting there ​ markp 2:46:36 PM i'd get to vote with code, and i can write code 2:46:38 PM :) ​ mcmay_SJC 2:47:01 PM markp, do you understand that voting is the absolute last resort, and if you and Sam disagree, you have larger problems than who you work for? ​ xges joined the chat room. (2:48:08 PM ) markp 2:48:10 PM sam and i disagree on many things relevant to atom ​ jcgregorio 2:48:19 PM heh ​ ndw 2:48:36 PM In my experience, most groups have informal votes "straw polls" where everyone present gets to cast a vote; it's not uncommon for different reps from the same company to vote differently. ​ markp 2:48:39 PM if atom goes w3c, i will essentially drop out of the process (even further) and let sam speak for ibm ​ matt_gifford left the chat room. (2:48:40 PM ) mcmay_SJC 2:48:53 PM which one of you is willing to lie down in the road to stop Atom from moving forward to Proposed Rec? ​ mgifford joined the chat room. (2:49:12 PM ) ndw 2:49:14 PM • ndw wouldn't see any reason for markp to do that, but that's between him and Sam and IBM I suppose ​ GaryF 2:49:44 PM out of curiousity, is there a list of w3c companies anywhere? ​ ndw 2:49:56 PM mcmay_SJC, I don't think they get to lie down in the road as lying down in the road smacks of an official vote at which point only one of them gets to vote :-/ ​ Isofarro joined the chat room. (2:50:15 PM ) mcmay_SJC 2:50:29 PM well, I'm just saying, that's what it means to get to the point where you have to vote. ​ markp 2:50:41 PM ah ​ ndw 2:51:02 PM GaryF, http:/​​/​​www.w3.org/​​Consortium/​​Member/​​List ​ mcmay_SJC 2:51:04 PM Anyway, after the fact, anyone can make a formal comment on the spec, and it would have to be dealt with. ​ ndw 2:51:31 PM Yep. ​ GaryF 2:52:16 PM ndw, thanks! ​ markp 2:52:33 PM when atom started, i wasn't an ibm employee, this job wasn't even on my radar ​ shinzui joined the chat room. (2:53:48 PM ) jasonshellen 2:56:22 PM Everyone in the room just jumped up and said 'Keep Mark at any cost!' ​ Isofarro 2:56:28 PM markp: (assuming this is about W3C voting) any chance of you being nominated as an Independant invited expert? ​ killifish joined the chat room. (2:56:33 PM ) jasonshellen 2:56:51 PM ok - not really... but I hope your voting concern has been allayed ​ ndw 2:56:55 PM Isofarro, no. I don't think the process allows that if you work for a member company ​ markp 2:57:05 PM jasonshellen: i find that exceedingly unlikely ​ Isofarro 2:57:21 PM ndw: even if you don't represent them? ​ markp 2:57:23 PM yes, the voting thing is over, we'll work it out internally if need be ​ KevinMarks 2:57:26 PM tbray: nto much to choose between them 2:57:31 PM (IPR) ​ alevin joined the chat room. (2:58:09 PM ) Isofarro 2:58:14 PM markp - sounds good. ​ ndw 2:58:54 PM Isofarro, I don't think you can work for a member company and participate as a representative not representing the member company you work for. Maybe if you worked for two companies and only one was a member, you could swing it. It'd be...odd though. ​ znarf joined the chat room. (2:59:02 PM ) ndw 2:59:18 PM • ndw wonders if minute taking is happening and if so if it's going to show up anywhere in anything resembling real time? ​ Aquarion 2:59:21 PM It'd also be open to abuse though technicalities, I suppose. ​ Isofarro 2:59:23 PM ndw: thanks for clarifying 2:59:43 PM • Isofarro came here via Tim Bray's blog entry on this... ​ KevinMarks 2:59:49 PM rough consensus and runnign code - can shut up the loonies ​ Isofarro 2:59:51 PM http:/​​/​​www.tbray.org/​​ongoing/​​When/​​200x/​​2004/​​06/​​02/​​AtomMeetingReport ​ markp 3:00:04 PM "Mark Nottingham worries about intervention at the W3C from other interested parties, e.g. WSDL, RDF, etc etc." 3:00:10 PM • markp worries about that too ​ danja joined the chat room. (3:00:24 PM ) xges left the chat room. (3:00:45 PM ) KevinMarks 3:00:55 PM w3c says you have to address all comments ​ StefanT joined the chat room. (3:01:39 PM ) Isofarro 3:02:25 PM *address* all comments sounds a little vague. ​ btucker joined the chat room. (3:02:59 PM ) KevinMarks 3:03:22 PM you have to write a detailed reply, include it in your docuemnt, and try to get the commmenter to respond ​ bjoern_ 3:03:36 PM Isofarro, see http:/​​/​​www.w3.org/​​2004/​​02/​​Process-20040205/​​process.html#formal-address ​ ndw 3:03:46 PM • ndw is looking down the barrel at 1100+ of them for XSL/XML Query. It's a process. Believe me! :-) ​ GaryF left the chat room. (3:03:50 PM ) GaryF joined the chat room. (3:04:05 PM ) Taklamakan joined the chat room. (3:05:54 PM ) StefanT left the chat room. (3:05:54 PM ) dwalker_ffg 3:06:54 PM What happens if someone with a bone to pick starts soliciting, say, thousands of 'comments' via some sort of petition or something, with the (unstated) goal of bogging down the process? ​ redmonk joined the chat room. (3:06:56 PM ) mcmay_SJC 3:07:20 PM they're marked as dupes, if it's just a mailing campaign... 3:08:00 PM If a singular argument has merit, it doesn't matter much if 3 or 1000 people send it. 3:08:11 PM Likewise if it doesn't. ​ Isofarro 3:08:25 PM mcmay: so one response is enough to cover the 3 to 1000 people? ​ bjoern_ 3:08:41 PM You could send that mail to 1000 people ​ danbri 3:08:58 PM "Mark Nottingham worries about intervention at the W3C from other interested parties, e.g. WSDL, RDF, etc etc." 3:09:06 PM I think this is a real concern, wherever Atom goes. ​ dwalker_ffg 3:09:18 PM Still, the triage process sounds like it could be a nightmare (just ask the Mozilla folk.) ​ danbri 3:09:29 PM As soon as folk see it going standards-track, there's a natural tendancy for new stakeholders to emerge. ​ ndw 3:09:42 PM I've been on lots of WGs, few get so many comments that triage is a nightmare. Not that it's ever fun. ​ rubys 3:09:44 PM TBray: time check ​ ndw 3:09:57 PM 15:09 EDT :-) ​ danbri 3:09:58 PM ...things that were previously understood (perhaps not even articulated) in the community get rediscovered by 2nd, 3rd wave of participants. ​ markp 3:10:03 PM ndw: you must be new here ​ dwalker_ffg 3:10:48 PM • dwalker_ffg worries that this is a very high profile project, with some _very_ vocal opponents. ​ ndw 3:10:49 PM markp, ? ​ Aquarion 3:10:49 PM It will mean going though the "why not use ${related standard}" arguments/roundabouts a few hundred more times ​ markp 3:10:49 PM everything syndication-related is a nightmare ​ ndw 3:10:49 PM ah 3:10:51 PM well, then, it'll be a nightmare werever it goes ​ KevinMarks 3:10:58 PM well, can one refer to the wiki for FAQ's ? ​ markp 3:11:26 PM we've done that semi-successfully so far, but i think this will really be a new ballgame ​ danbri 3:11:34 PM Being seen as mainly for blogs vs being for all websites vs being for all data syndication (bank statements etc) could pull the project and WG (w3c, ietf, wherever) in wildly different directions. ​ GaryF 3:11:38 PM KevinMarks: Not as of yet ​ markp 3:11:53 PM we won't be able to pageslap people with wiki pages and say "we decided that months ago" ​ libby joined the chat room. (3:11:53 PM ) GaryF 3:12:04 PM although there was mention of an FAQ appearing on the wiki a while ago 3:12:19 PM but no-one took the job as editor ​ Isofarro 3:12:21 PM Aquarion: suggestion - compile the list of reasons why we don't use ${related standard} and point to it instead of going round again? ​ markp 3:12:57 PM Isofarro: that won't stop the discussion, i'm not sure it would even slow it down ​ KevinMarks 3:13:27 PM part of it is the differnt dynamic of a mailing list versus a wiki ​ markp 3:13:52 PM confirm that ietf is *entirely* mailing-list-based? ​ ndw 3:14:09 PM yes ​ mcmay_SJC 3:14:09 PM That's what Paul said. ​ Aquarion 3:14:15 PM Isofarro: Some of the decisions were reached by what appears - I'm late to the game here - to be organised hubbub, which may not meet the requirements for a formal comment response ​ KevinMarks 3:14:31 PM mailing list and f2f meeting ​ danja 3:14:40 PM danbri, I'd suggest making the clear target blogs, but 000000000000000. 3:14:55 PM • danja curses cat ​ danbri 3:15:02 PM lol ​ ndw 3:15:04 PM • ndw lol ​ markp 3:15:07 PM lol ​ danja 3:15:12 PM but keeping it extensible/evolovable ​ ndw 3:15:20 PM I thought you were just suggesting the format for issue numbers :-) ​ danbri 3:15:39 PM I would be a lot less worried if the scope was "We're doing this for blogs, but see wider value (but want it done fast and meeting the blog use case is enough for a v1.0" 3:15:45 PM ) ​ Isofarro 3:15:46 PM ndw: naah, no purple link next to it ;-) ​ ndw 3:15:55 PM • ndw +1 to danbri ​ KevinMarks 3:16:08 PM evo-lovable - like that ​ ndw 3:16:16 PM • ndw mumbles something about not having implemented purple links yet himself ​ KevinMarks 3:16:37 PM use QuickTopic to auto-add them ​ markp 3:16:45 PM ndw, you've already missed the craze, *and* the backlash, *and* the synthesis ​ ndw 3:17:02 PM That's a good thing, right? ​ markp 3:17:09 PM it was like speed-reading hegel ​ danbri 3:17:10 PM I think we had something good going in RSS-DEV with the RDF flavour of RSS, and all the extension vocabs ppl created, but they largely weren't blog oriented. Were more 'lets see how this applies to data syndication in general'. ​ KevinMarks 3:17:24 PM the only way to read hegel ​ dehora left the chat room. (3:17:30 PM ) GaryF 3:17:39 PM Now all purple links is in incompatible forked version and it'll be proper blog-tech 3:17:45 PM *links need ​ danja 3:18:50 PM danbri, Atom for blogs (for everything else there's RDF/XML) 3:18:53 PM :-) ​ ndw 3:18:58 PM • ndw chuckles ​ Isofarro 3:19:19 PM • Isofarro reloads TBray's blog... ​ ndw 3:20:30 PM • ndw curses the damn formatting of TBray's blog in perfectly reasonable browser width ​ danbri 3:20:50 PM • danbri clickthrus some google ads on tbray's blog in thx for the realtime writeup ​ Isofarro 3:21:22 PM • Isofarro would prefer IETF mainly because of the working-code-trumps-navel-gazing approach ​ KevinMarks 3:21:26 PM tbray: this is not a decision making body 3:21:30 PM not goingt o vote ​ straup joined the chat room. (3:21:32 PM ) KevinMarks 3:21:35 PM shoudl we hum? 3:21:57 PM choice 1 pple who prefer ietf 3:22:07 PM 2 prefer w3c 3:22:16 PM ietf hum now 3:22:39 PM more ietf humming - one w3c hum ​ danja 3:22:49 PM was any progress made on a tune for both? ​ ndw 3:22:56 PM But how loud was em humming? :-) ​ mcmay_SJC 3:23:05 PM we didn't hum, norm. :) ​ ndw 3:23:13 PM heh 3:23:26 PM • ndw wonders who 'mcmay' is ​ mcmay_SJC 3:23:37 PM http:/​​/​​www.w3.org/​​People/​​Matt/​​ ​ ndw 3:24:02 PM Ah. Howdy. ​ TBray 3:24:10 PM breaking for lunch ​ danja 3:24:12 PM logger uri? ​ KevinMarks 3:24:13 PM lunchbreak ​ ndw 3:24:24 PM Enjoy. ​ IRCMonkey_ joined the chat room. (3:24:27 PM ) ndw 3:24:29 PM • ndw looks for afternoon tea ​ danbri 3:24:36 PM • danbri is http:/​​/​​www.w3.org/​​People/​​DanBri/​​ btw (hi!) ​ murl joined the chat room. (3:25:32 PM ) dwalker_ffg 3:26:18 PM • dwalker_ffg it's PeanutButterJelly time! http:/​​/​​www.albinoblacksheep.com/​​flash/​​banana.php ​ straup left the chat room. (3:26:30 PM ) Taklamakan left the chat room. (3:26:31 PM ) ndw 3:26:40 PM • ndw is http:/​​/​​norman.walsh.name/​​2003/​​05/​​14/​​who, for the record ​ straup joined the chat room. (3:26:40 PM ) Topic changed to "Broken for lunch" by ndw. (3:26:51 PM ) ndw 3:27:10 PM • ndw wonders "Broken for lunch" doesn't sound good. "Out to lunch" doesn't sound much better, though. ​ Maniac joined the chat room. (3:27:27 PM ) autrijus 3:27:33 PM how about just "lunch time" :) ​ TBray 3:28:08 PM danbri, do *not* clickthru on ads unless you care about 'em, Google is hyperparanoid ​ danbri 3:28:22 PM I had a nose around... The AAA thing was interesting. ​ Topic changed to "Lunch break | anyone witha QTSS refelctor ping Kevinmarks" by KevinMarks. (3:28:40 PM ) Topic changed to ""Lunch time"" by ndw. (3:28:51 PM ) danja 3:29:03 PM is the chat logged? ​ ndw 3:29:37 PM No, I don't think so. ​ KevinMarks 3:29:39 PM grr 3:29:43 PM I'm logging it ​ ndw 3:29:52 PM I've been logging too, since I got here. ​ dwalker_ffg 3:30:06 PM danja: no logging bot, but I've been here since an hour before start and I'll dump everything I have. ​ Topic changed to "Lunch break | anyone with a QTSS reflector I can bounce a live feed off ping KevinMarks" by KevinMarks. (3:30:08 PM ) Nat|mail joined the chat room. (3:30:23 PM ) Nat|mail is now known as Natrak. (3:30:26 PM ) sayrer joined the chat room. (3:30:32 PM ) Isofarro 3:30:32 PM dwalker: thanks! ​ ndw 3:30:40 PM What the heck is a QTSS reflector? 3:31:01 PM Is the agenda online? ​ lgonze joined the chat room. (3:31:04 PM ) GaryF 3:31:24 PM qtss == quicktime streaming server ​ danja 3:31:26 PM thanks ​ GaryF 3:31:52 PM useful for dumping chat logs live ​ danja 3:31:58 PM agenda was on wiki I think ​ ndw 3:32:06 PM Ah, figures. ​ KevinMarks 3:32:35 PM it takes in RTP/TCP and sends out multiple streams 3:32:58 PM no, I was ging to sens audio vidoe to one, but the one I normally use is down ​ Isofarro 3:33:02 PM ndw: http:/​​/​​www.intertwingly.net/​​wiki/​​pie/​​AtomMeeting ​ ndw 3:34:07 PM thx Isofarro ​ rubys 3:34:34 PM bitkso: why did you add the FrontPage to the 'list of proposals'? ​ ndw 3:34:45 PM W3C rdf folks: is there still an RDF Core WG? ​ gonzo joined the chat room. (3:34:56 PM ) yonderboy 3:35:46 PM KevinMarks, is Joi's still usable? ​ GaryF 3:36:10 PM ndw: think http:/​​/​​www.w3.org/​​2001/​​sw/​​RDFCore/​​ is still active. They have current news at least. ​ KevinMarks 3:36:17 PM yes; needs rebooting; no-one awake in japan ​ GaryF 3:36:24 PM well, last few months at least ​ danja 3:36:37 PM ndw - "scheduled to shut down May 2004", no longer active ​ yonderboy 3:36:46 PM aah; i thought as much ​ ndw 3:36:54 PM Yeah, that's what I recalled hearing ​ GaryF 3:36:56 PM oh well ​ danja 3:37:10 PM on that very page ​ KevinMarks 3:37:14 PM didn't they decide they were done? ​ ndw 3:37:29 PM em or danbri, got a sec? ​ warwick joined the chat room. (3:42:11 PM ) Isofarro 3:42:46 PM http:/​​/​​www.tbray.org/​​ongoing/​​When/​​200x/​​2004/​​06/​​02/​​-big/​​IMG_2227.jpg - who is who? I only recognise Sam Ruby. ​ warwick 3:44:25 PM warwick is Steve Kirks from Springfield, MO -- http:/​​/​​houseofwarwick.com ​ Crack joined the chat room. (3:46:12 PM ) Crack left the chat room. (3:49:46 PM ) sayrer 3:50:42 PM isofarro: i'll try ​ anne joined the chat room. (3:51:18 PM ) sayrer 3:52:30 PM ok, around the table clockwise, starting with the gentleman sitting in front of the whiteboard ​ MarkB joined the chat room. (3:52:38 PM ) sillygwailo joined the chat room. (3:54:38 PM ) sayrer 3:55:03 PM john panzer, paul hoffman (standing), sam ruby, jack park, calvin cheng (obscured), james todd (obscured), matt may (red hair), steve jenson, jason shellen (white shirt), bob wyman, mark fletcher, robert sayre, ezra cooper, walter underwood ​ Isofarro 3:57:00 PM sayrer: thanks :-) cool laptop btw! ​ sayrer 3:57:23 PM ha thanks. unfortunately it has XP Home on it right now. ​ ndw 3:57:49 PM Yeah, that is unfortunate ;-) ​ Isofarro 3:59:36 PM as far as I can tell, its only Tim Bray who's blogged this meet so far. ​ arb_jack joined the chat room. (4:00:42 PM ) ndw 4:01:58 PM I was going to say Tim's the only one with net access, but that's clearly not true. Sigh. SCA has public wifi, how sweet is that. ​ jasonshellen 4:02:24 PM http:/​​/​​flickr.com/​​photo.gne?id=40807 ​ dwalker_ffg 4:03:22 PM I've got a half***ed log of this channel since the beginning of the meeting at http:/​​/​​www.freeke.org/​​atommeetinglog.txt Apologies in advance for the formatting, but I didn't realize there wasn't a bot logging it, and the IRC client I'm using, er, doesn't really _do_ logs. ​ danja 4:04:41 PM • danja admires pilcrows ​ danbri 4:04:53 PM em or danbri, got a sec? 4:04:57 PM too late? ​ RussB 4:06:23 PM Kevin? ​ Isofarro 4:07:08 PM dwalker: its readable! :-) ​ redmonk left the chat room. (4:07:09 PM ) Isofarro 4:07:24 PM danja - ermmm.... but _not_ on mouseover please!! ​ ndw 4:08:15 PM thanks danbri, I found DanC in #rdfig and got the answer I needed. Thanks, though! ​ imajes joined the chat room. (4:08:58 PM ) dajobe joined the chat room. (4:13:04 PM ) danbri 4:13:05 PM • danbri mentioned possibility of setting up an irc-to-web logger to dajobe... ​ dajobe 4:13:05 PM if that's ok, I'll do it ​ N-Avenell joined the chat room. (4:13:05 PM ) danbri 4:13:05 PM more clearly, anyone on-site who wants to give a running transcript can feel free.... ;) 4:13:05 PM is this channel logged, and if not, can it be logged? 4:13:05 PM I have no objections to it being logged 4:13:07 PM from earlier. ​ dajobe 4:13:13 PM ok, I'll go ahead ​ danbri 4:13:26 PM • danbri pretty sure logging would be fine; worth mentioning in /topic tho 4:13:38 PM thanks ​ Aquarion left the chat room. (4:13:43 PM ) danbri 4:14:20 PM there's also http:/​​/​​www.freeke.org/​​atommeetinglog.txt (if u could link to that from top would be great) ​ N-Avenell 4:14:42 PM Aquarion is me, I was Aquarion. Now I am me, balancing out the universe. Or something. I decided to change client :-) ​ danbri 4:14:43 PM Or someone retype the url when logger starts, i guess ​ loggera joined the chat room. (4:15:06 PM ) loggera 4:15:06 PM • loggera is logging ​ sayrer left the chat room. (4:15:07 PM ) Topic changed to "Lunch break | anyone with a QTSS reflector I can bounce a live feed off ping KevinMarks | You are being logged: http:/​​/​​www.freeke.org/​​atommeetinglog.txt" by N-Avenell. (4:15:10 PM ) dwalker_ffg 4:15:18 PM • dwalker_ffg Yay loggera!